Lead Through Chaos

Life can feel ridiculously chaotic, and motivation alone usually is not enough to carry you through it. If you have been trying to push through the hard stuff, this conversation will help you think differently about what it really means to lead through chaos.

In this episode of Conversations Worth Your While, I sit down with Nicholas Strand, founder of Choose Your Attitude LLC, for a meaningful conversation about chaos, resilience, purpose, and the kind of inner foundation that helps us keep moving when life feels heavy.

Together, Nick and I explore what it means to become more comfortable in the uncomfortable, how attitude and action work together, and why leading through chaos begins with knowing who you are.

This conversation is not about pretending hard things are easy. It is about recognizing that the strength you need may already be within you, even if you have not had to rely on it this way before. As I share in this episode, life’s huge difficulties don't necessarily make you stronger. (Sometimes, they reveal just how strong you already are.)

If you are someone moving through an uncertain season, a leader, entrepreneur, or high performer, this episode will help you pause, reflect, and consider your next right step.

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Nicholas Strand is the founder of Choose Your Attitude LLC. After nearly 20 years leading production for artists including BLACKPINK, Sting, KISS, and Dave Matthews Band, Nick now helps overwhelmed founders, pressured leaders, and high performers turn chaos into forward motion.

His Attitude + Action = Impact framework was inspired by the words of his late wife, Brianna: “Choose your attitude, create your life.” Today, Nick uses that philosophy, along with everything he learned leading teams through high-pressure situations, to help others move forward with greater intention and create meaningful impact.

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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/thenickstrand/

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Book a free 30-minute consult with Nick at TheNickStrand.com and map out exactly where you’re stuck and what it will take to move forward.

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SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hey there, and welcome to Conversations Worth Your While. It's a podcast where we dig into ideas and insights to help you to unleash what you were born to bring. I chat with heart-led experts and I ask the questions that I know you're already thinking about. And then we explore conversations to spark growth, shift perspectives, and help you to show up fully in your life, in your career, and in your community. Today we are exploring lead through chaos. That is our topic. And this conversation is worth your while because life is challenging and frequently chaotic. And motivation to push through, you know, it works, but it's temporary at best. What we need to deal with this chaos of the world is a way to be comfortable and the uncomfortable. And we also need tools that can move us forward so that we can make the impact we're here to make even amidst all that chaos. I'm your host, Linda Booker. And if the life you are in no longer fits, this space is for you. Because through my coaching and my podcast and speaking, I guide purpose-driven people to reconnect to who they truly are and let go of what they've outgrown and rediscover their gifts and create a life that feels aligned and deeply impactful. And if that sparks something within you, you can find me at lyndabooker.com. All right, once again, our topic today, lead through chaos. And today I have the pleasure of being joined by Nick Strand of Choose Your Attitude. And he is making beautiful positive ripples in his very unique way. Nick is the founder of Choose Your Attitude. He's also a speaker and a coach who helps leaders to build resilient foundations to fall back on through life's biggest challenges. So hey Nick, thank you for being with us here today.

SPEAKER_01 1:49

Thanks for inviting me. I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Yeah, I'm really excited too. I love, I love what you're doing. Um, and I'm so excited for this conversation. Before we get started with the conversation, can you just share a little bit more about what you do and who you serve?

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Yes, I am Nicholas Strand, and I have created an amazing movement uh from an amazing uh lifelong challenge of chaos, if you will. Um, and so uh I've created uh the brand Choose Your Attitude, uh, and it comes from an amazing quote: Choose your attitude, create your life. And uh what I do is I help leaders, entrepreneurs uh lead through the chaos, um, building a resilient foundation uh to help them fall back on when you know life gets gets ahead of us and the challenges and stresses we have uh and what we lead, what we create, um, to be able to help us be a little bit more stable and understanding and uh you know make it through those challenges with a little bit more comfort um than the the stressful chaos or uncomfortable part of what chaos can bring.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yes, and that's so beautiful. I I absolutely love the work that you're doing in this world and that you are you know creating this movement about choose your attitude. It's such an important concept that um you know we need reminders of that we do have this choice. So I absolutely love this work that you're doing. So let's start talking about chaos. Okay. Yes. So life can be ridiculously chaotic. Yes, we've got the everyday chaos of, you know, you know, do your do your work in the world, you know, come home, do your home responsibilities. Maybe you're raising kids, you know, um, you know, all the all the other stuff that needs to we need to catch up on. There's the everyday personal chaos that everybody has that, you know, we we've all got to, we are, we're all moving through it in some way, whether it's graceful or not, right? But then sometimes there's bigger chaos. So we can talk about the chaos of the world, right? There's a lot of stuff going on. The world we know, you know, news used to travel way slow back in the day. You know, if they they came with the newspaper and they read it in front of the town, that was about all. That's what you got. And a month later, maybe you got some more, right? Um, but now everything travels so fast, and we see so many, you know, so much ripping apart happening around us. So now that's another thing that adds onto us, chaotic-wise. But then we've got the big, big challenges that happen in in our lives, right? Yeah, that's the biggest part that we like, we seem like we can we can muddle through the rest in one way or another. It's stressful, but we can muddle through. But then, you know, let's talk about those really big chaotic points in life.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Yeah, no, for sure. So, you know, I I I see chaos kind of split in a few different ways. Um, and and some of them are definitely personal journeys that I've I've gone through as well. Um, but as you said it, you you you said a lot of it. Um, you know, there is the personal chaotic moments, right? Where we're all in a sense of survival, whether, you know, no matter where you are in life, um, you're just trying to get through every single day. And uh no matter your journey, there is something on the top of your list of something that's getting at you and that you're struggling with. Um, and on top of that, we then have you know, whatever your job is, whatever your entrepreneur, uh, you know, financial uh hustle is. Um there's the chaos from that. Um, and then of course, because we are in a community or in an interview, we are we are not just our own little space. There are so many other avenues. So the chaos uh has so many different pieces uh within your journey. And then, of course, uh your own journey from your past growing to now, um, many things add up. Um, and you know, whatever's happened to you as you get older, the triggers keep coming, the the those memories start. So for me, where this all kind of you know happened um for 20 years on the road, uh I was a roadie um building stages for some of the biggest names in music. Um, and as you can imagine, you know, impossible is possible out there, right? We make the impossible possible. Um, so there's a lot of chaos, um, you know, pressure, urgency, uh, you know, change, and we have to adapt. Uh, all about solutions. Um, so living a life out there constantly on the road and trying to make these crazy dreams or the impossible happen. Um, you know, so tons of chaos, and who knows what's gonna happen with all the technology. Um, on the other side, there was, you know, at home, um part of my story, you know, I I lost my mom at um uh in 2012. Um I lost my wife of 10 years uh to cystic fibrosis in 2017, 2019. I wake up the left side of my face is paralyzed. I thought it was a stroke. Um thank god it was uh luckily Bill palsy. Um my face came back. Um, but it it's crazy because with all this happening, you know, we fall into a gap of survival, right? And and we focus on what's happening in the present, and we don't often take too much time to kind of take a moment and reflect on where we've gone, where we're going, or where we are, right? And so all these things kind of you know projected onto me and and it happened. You would think that losing your mom would be enough, you think that losing your wife would be enough. Um, it took a little while for that pain to catch up, and of course, something had to happen internally, which was you know the bell palsy. That was my realization that um if not now, then when? Um, you know, if my my half of my face could go paralyzed being a a you know healthy human being, I I questioned my heart, I questioned my lungs, I questioned my brain, all these things that we just we take for granted. Um, hearing, uh, you know, ear, like all these different things. Um, so I actually took that moment and started writing. I wrote a book, uh, it's a memoir, Loving Someone Who's Dying. Um, and it it talked about Brianna, who was my my wife's her amazing journey and how we we we pushed through. But that memory or that process uh kind of unraveled something pretty exciting, right? Um it it through that work I was able to create a framework or understanding of how how what did we do in order to get through all these challenges, right? What what allowed some of the good things be good and some of the the chaotic things be stressful, right? So I came up with this framework called Attitude Plus Action Equals Impact, and it took a very long time for the last 10 years. I've been working on it, and you know, as I tell other people, this work that I'm doing is not only uh helping others, but it comes from my own work. So by day, here I am on a podcast or uh you know, helping share uh coaching with others or speaking on a stage. By night I'm at home taking the same framework and using it for myself and and you know getting that process through. So attitude plus action equals impact. So what I like to say is is impact, right? Um impact is where do you want to go, right? What do you want to do for others, or how what is that action uh achievable step that you're reaching for, right? Or what is that thing that you need? Because we all need to have that North Star or that direction, right? Who do I want to become? Right? This could be your identity, this could be your your dreams of of financial stress or or you know a relationship or whatever that is. You gotta know where you want to lead, right? Um, and so once you find that out, you then look for your attitude, right? And this comes from all of behind me, right? The brand, choose your attitude. Um, so attitude, I like to say it's not that toxic positivity, right? This is not about, you know, uh everything's gonna be okay. This is about understanding and being able to feel the emotion, to understand where you're standing in the present, right? And to understand that no matter what happened, in some sense, there's a lesson I can pull from this. But we also must remember to not neglect the true emotion of the reality of what you're going through, right? So that's read attitude. Now, if we reflect back onto life, right, when I lost Brianna, um, my attitude could have been in the first two years, I was very uncomfortable and did not understand it, right? Where it became something powerful is when my whole left side of my face uh went paralyzed. I started to write the book, and as I'm writing the book, the tears are flowing down, the pain is coming through, but I had a realization or a transformation that pain turned into joy, and that's kind of crazy because pain and joy are not theoretically parallel, right? They're they're two different things. But what was exciting is here I am staying present in this pain, but it was joyful, right? So as I'm typing and I'm going through this, the tears are coming down, and I remember looking down at my wrist as the tears fall on my wrist, and I saw something. So, two months after Brianna passed in 2017, um, I got these words transcribed onto my wrist. Uh Brianna used to love quotes, and she would sit down and create quotes, put them on the refrigerator, and it was her way to kind of push herself through, right? Uh, it was it was a way to be within that challenge and to have some sort of a trigger and or an unlock in that moment to try and reflect and and break that mindset, right? Today does suck, but all of a sudden you get this, oh well, it sucks, but how can I make that suck something worth it? You know what I mean? So, um, in that process, uh creating these quotes, when my mom had passed, she saw memories kind of fade, right? And that was one of the moments that she realized, okay, I need something a little bit more because I don't want my memory to fade. I want something bigger, right? So she created the quote that is inscribed on my wrist. And so two months after she passed, I get it inside subscribed on my wrist on our anniversary. Two years after, when my left side of my face is paralyzed, not really understanding the true meaning of this quote. Here I am again. Pain is coming through, it's turning into joy. I'm typing the words onto a uh a page, and I see the quote. It's written right here. Choose your attitude, create your life. And I realized in that moment that I was choosing to stand within those memories. I was choosing not to feel sad in the sense of I felt sad for their absence, but I was starting to feel joy for what they left in the world, right? For what they gave me, or the strength of what they instilled into me to be able to make it through this situation, right? And so that was the attitude, right? That that that is simply what attitude is, right? The the joy of okay, here I am in the situation, it does suck, it is a challenge, but I can make it through. Now, to parallel that with the road, impossible. There are things that some of these artists are like, I don't understand how we're gonna achieve this. But if we're all in that meeting and we're all going, oh it's not possible, we're not gonna do this, it's never gonna get done. But if each one of us is in a mindset that goes, Okay, if we all come up with three solutions, they may have never been done before. It may go against the grain. This is completely outside of the box. But if we all think of three different solutions, you now understand why you see so many shows that are just so huge and just never done before because that mentality. Right. So that's attitude. Um and and of course the next thing would then be action, right? Um, so what I like to say is the framework you have to build side by side, right? Um once you have the attitude, you then have to take action, right? You can have all the attitude on the world, but if you're sitting on the couch and not getting anywhere, it's not gonna mean anything, right? Now, mind you, that is part of the process is being able to unlock, to be able to feel and to be able to understand and get to that area where you actually see achievable or see uh a visual progress, right? But that progress does not happen right away. Um, many people go to the gym and they want to have that body when they walk out. But as a person that have gone to the gym for a few years now, I'm telling you, it's a process, right? So it's that it's keeping that attitude, that self-empowerment focused, but then at the same time taking those achievable state steps and creating that consistency to keep going. So to fall back now on Brianna, she made a choice that every single day was quality over quantity, right? So that was her action. It was one of those things that her doctors would come in and say, Okay, you have cystic fibrosis. At three years old, she was told she was gonna die by 13. She lived 30 amazing years of her life. Now, to fight this disease that when I met her was at 85%, and now when you know she passed was at 22%. So, you know, a normal human like us, most of us are at like 120 to you know a hundred percent is what they say your you know the breathing number is, right? Um, which is crazy. So here you have this person struggling through this, they've got all these med uh uh medicine routines. The doctor comes in and says, Okay, here's eight hours of meds, and she goes, No, quality over quantity. My action is that I'm gonna live more than I'm going to sit here and just do meds all the time. Because I would rather have a full day of worth than a full day of disconnect and not being able to be present, right? So that's the action. Same thing goes with touring. Here we are, as soon as those ideas come, we can't leave and then not act. You have to leave and then act upon those things, right? You're going in to do these things that are so impossible, but then you're able to actually start making those steps, and as you go through those steps, all of a sudden those things become possible, right? So I like to say, you know, uh I use a sports analogy. Um, and I'm not a sports person, so I'm sorry if you're not a sports person, but you know, maybe we align there. But sports is is just the visual piece of all of this, right? Um, for me, fitness after Brianna passed became kind of this hobby that kind of brought choose your attitude to life, if you will. Um, and so what I like to say with the sports, um, you know, making the comfortable uncomfortable allows you to be able to analyze and stand on top of the situation, making it less chaotic and become more comfortable in the uncomfortable rather than being fearful of you become strong and that kind of calms you down, right? So, how how does the sports routine work in? When sports, when you go to practice, you usually don't practice what you're good at. We already know what you're good at. Mind you, you're gonna do your reps, right? To stay fresh, but you're gonna go look at the tape, you're gonna see what those challenges are, right? So that's staying in that that that uncomfortable pain, right? Trying to understand it, trying to you know work through it. But then you practice, and that practice allows you to slowly become comfortable in the uncomfortable. Well, what does that mean? Well, when you're a quarterback and you're playing football, right? You get the ball and you have to make this play. You've got so many seconds to be able to make this split decision, and you have all these moving parts, chaos, right? So, what happens there? You become able to then stand on top of the presence of all the things moving and be able to make a decision with intention rather than reaction, right? So then all of a sudden, your fight or flight doesn't have to kick in that survival mode of chaos chaos triggering, you know, that the survival mode, you're able to actually make a decision on top of that, which is part of that resilient foundation, right? So now you have the attitude, you've got the action, but the key is is you got to make sure that they're both proper, right? If you get so focused on action, sometimes you forget about the attitude, and then that the balance comes off, right? Uh same thing the other way. If your attitude is so big, but then your actions aren't really set to do that, the balance is off. And what is the balance? That becomes the impact, right? So going back to the gym. Um, every single day you're gonna go, you're gonna create that attitude of I'm gonna show up because it's painful to go, but you know afterwards there's a little bit of joy. The action is is I'm gonna show up every single day, no matter if it's five percent effort, a hundred twenty percent effort, but I'm gonna be consistent because that through line, the average, is what we're aiming for. What gets exciting is after a while you look up at the mirror and you get to see your impact. Right, and that self-impact turns into joy, it turns into fulfillment, which the most rewarding part of that is that human connection piece where all of a sudden that radiation is then shared with others, and you begin to inspire others and impact others. And so, not to kind of go through that that whole loophole of of you know that this runway here, but in a nutshell, that is what choose your attitude is all about. Choose your attitude, create your life, and that's attitude plus action equals impact. Um, and I know I kind of went gave them those pieces, but um that's kind of the whole thing. So I'm sure if you're listening, you've you know, you yourself have had some type of health issue or know somebody who has. If you haven't, you're lucky, and hopefully, um, you know, that that challenge doesn't come up anytime soon. Um, or you've gone through, you know, something with the challenges of uh financial stresses or your connection with with work. But this type of framework can help you take an actionable step, figure out the next right step, and kind of set it down. Okay, what is the impact I want to create? What is the attitude I could choose? And it's fair to have a negative attitude, but just make sure you have that positive attitude written down next to it, right? This makes me feel this way. However, this is going to make me feel this way. Here's an actionable step I can create to help me get to there. And this is the impact it's going to create. Woo! Yes. That's just a framework. That's not even like some of the attributes or some of the deeper stuff. But um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Yeah. So, okay. So generally, I didn't want to interrupt you because you were like on this beautiful role.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Thank you. Sorry. Yes. I felt it, so I had to keep going.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Yeah, you just feel like you're on the roll, you gotta go. Okay. So first of all, I love that you pointed out that through personal challenges, we create an understanding within ourselves, and we are able to, therefore, it helps us to process moving through those challenges. And then for people like me and you, it that morphed into our purpose where we were able to take those personal experiences, our understanding, the processing and how we did it, and share that as a tool with the world. Um, and so um that's you know, that experiential understanding that is married with our the purpose that we discover because of it is is a really important thing to point out because a lot of people will come to me with like, I don't know what my purpose in the world is, right? And what you know, they're what they're doing is they're trying to figure it out up here instead of recognizing it's something we live. We live through something that reveals our purpose. So that was the first thing I want to point out.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

Um can I jump on that too? Can I add to that? So one thing I want to mention with that is your purpose also uh forms, it's an evolution, right? And at the same time, that your purpose, this is not only internal as in self, this is also as a team leader. When you understand other people's purpose within your area, so what is their attitude or what is their action or what is their impact, when you amplify that, that helps that self-empowerment, right? And so part of that is you may not understand your exact purpose that is deep in your heart because it's still forming, but understanding your connection to the world and what you're doing, right? So if you work for a company and you don't feel like you have a great impact, it would be understanding what what you do every single day with that company that's impacting other people's lives, right? And that's something you can do, and or even more importantly, as a leader, to help amplify to your people those different pieces, right? And so those are different things as far as the levels, right? Where you I call them arenas, but you've got you know your business arena, you've got your personal arena, the community, friends, but all these levels, right? You have a purpose for, and so that is another way to help unlock that is to look at those different areas, and maybe you yourself don't have a purpose yet figured out for that direct thing, but you do have a connection with other people that impacts their lives, and that will help you get there.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

Absolutely. Yeah, it's really, I think, you know, with our topic being lead through chaos. The way we can best lead is to know ourselves. That's where it all starts. Um, and so you can't you won't even find your purpose until you take some deliberate action to know yourself. When you know yourself and you know who you are outside of roles and responsibilities, which you know, I the way I learned a lot who I am, and maybe it was the same for you, is when my husband suddenly passed away, one role, the role as wife, went away. So I said, I'm gonna use that capacity that was freed up to discover who I am. And when I discovered who I am, that's where that purpose started becoming. I became aware of it and it began unfolding. So when we start with who we are, that's the best place we can lead from. It's the most authentic place to lead from. And when you know who you are, then you're not so drawn into all the chaos, the chaos that's telling you you're supposed to be someone else, do something different, lead a different way. You can that litmus test um is really, you know, how do I, how do I feel? What is aligned? And when we know this for ourselves and we feel it working, that's when we can look at the our team members and say, wow, if I'm my at my best when I'm aligned with who I am, then that's how my team's going to be their best as individuals when they're aligned with who they are. And so that's when where that personal connection comes in, where you get to actually know someone and maybe help them understand who they are at a greater level so that so that you can help align the work they're doing with who they are, they'll feel more fulfilled, they'll feel more purposeful, and the team will work better.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

And and I think one thing I I like to throw out here too is this is not about being perfect. This is not about a detailed answer. This is about the awareness of your triggers, the ri the the awareness of all the puzzle pieces. When you put a puzzle together, when you put a Lego set together, you don't start with the finished product. You slowly start putting pieces together. That is awareness, that is self-identity, right? Not always are you gonna have that pretty picture at the very end, right? But knowing some of those steps, that is the work, that is your presence, and uh giving yourself grace and acknowledgement for those steps, that is knowing who you are, right? Um I I just want to make that clarity for some people because um, you know, I must say that I feel pretty confident. I know who I am now that I've you know gone through a lot of these things, but I also know that the journey taken me for anybody is an adaption or evolution. So don't get caught up in the idea you have to find a solid answer. Understand that knowing who you are is having laid out some of these pieces of awareness to help build those puzzle pieces, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 28:40

Yeah, so absolutely. So when when we say get to know who you are, who you are in this moment, because we're always becoming correct. And that's something to embrace, you know, and smile about and celebrate that we're always becoming. I call myself a conscious expander because everybody's growing and expanding because we're learning or whatever. Yeah, I mean, you fail forward, that's how it works. But some of us are very deliberate in our expansion. That means we're more kind of people. So I want to know more, do more, be more, have more impact. And um, so I'm I'm one of that's one of the reasons I do this podcast because I learn from every single guest I ever have on here. It feeds my thirst for expansion because when I'm more and I have that gift of synthesization where I synthesize all the stuff I come across, which is so much every day. And and then, you know, I can help apply that and and help that helps me to live my purpose and help the others that I'm here to help. So um expanding purposefully, something that I'm always doing. I have a feeling you're always doing this as well. Um, another way to um uh like you you you brought up resilience. Um and I that's that's a really important concept before we uh conclude. I want to just I just want to touch on we don't have time to blow it all up. No, okay. I know there's no time to blow it all up, but but resilience is um you know, we it's about something you can always rely on and fall back on. It's something within you, it's something you cultivate, something we were really natural at doing. Children are super resilient, and then you know, the chaos in the world can kind of weigh you down, and we and we don't recognize a resilience until we're really challenged. Yep. Right then, right? However, it's something that we have and it's always reliable because it's it's it's there, it's a part of who we are, it's that part of that inner strength, that inner strength and resilience that will get us through anything. So I'd love to hear real quick your take on resilience.

SPEAKER_01 30:48

Yeah, so resilience, as I like to say, um, so motivational is emotional, resilience is structural, right? Um, let me share a couple uh stories or uh connections with that. Um, for Brianna and I, one of the ways we stayed resilient is we had death talks. I know that sounds crazy, right? But we talked about what was gonna happen, right? What was gonna happen? Well, we're all gonna die, but what do we want when that happens? Right? I know that sounds heavy, I know that sounds a lot, it's giving me emotions. But why is that resilience? Because when the chaos happened of death, I remember when my mom got diagnosed, it was very chaotic because we hadn't had those plans or those talks, right? So things just went super fast, it was hard to be present. When Brianna died, it was beautiful. And I hate to like have that disconnect of you know, of course it was sad. I did not want her to go, and I struggle with it every single day. But it was beautiful in the moments because we had talked about it, we got comfortable with it, so we were able to be present in those search situations, and that's hard, but at the same time, that's where that leading through chaos comes, that's where those repetitions come, that's where the resilience comes from, right? Is having those conversations, having that plan. Um, it's kind of like you know, as a kid in high school, we had earthquake uh drills. Um we lived in Washington State, a lot of earthquakes, so we would have continuous earthquake drills, or I know a lot of kids have had fire drills, right? Those are the things you plan for that maybe never happen, but those that's what you build on, right? And so um, of course, the stuff that you're gonna be planning every single day is gonna be a little bit more uh uh achievable and or um uh smaller or linear, um, but those are all things that help build that resilience. Um, another example is on the road, it's almost like choreographing. Here you have this huge megastructure, um, and technology is always failing. But what would allow us to be able to be present when there's a challenging situation, when 60,000 people are out looking at you, the artist is getting on stage, and all of a sudden the video wall goes out. How do you stay calm and be able to control the situation? Having those reps, having those plans every single day, going through those steps of testing, right? Um, that is how you build resilience. Resilience is not a a gift, resilience is not a um uh uh trained there is there is a little bit of uh choreographing of of of learned understanding, like I said, from the the the sports part, but it's going through the reps and having a plan, right? What is gonna happen when this happens? Now, mind you, again, this is a process, this is a continual process. It's just not sitting there and going, I I can do this, I can keep doing this, I can keep doing this. Mind you, that that is a part of the attitude, but the action is those actionable steps, my past, my present, my future, to be able to understand and to build those pillars of of resilience to fall back on. So when I see resilience, that is what I see it as is um somebody who has gone through and kind of been able to build those steps um and and feels um obviously there is the not giving up in those parts, but those are all the attributes, right? Attitude, action, impact that build resilience.

SPEAKER_00 34:40

Thank you for that. Thank you so much. All right, and I just want to leave our listeners with um something I like I always like to help people to understand the strength they already have. Yes. Um and there's two things that uh two ways I want to just uh touch upon it. One is I do not believe that the life's big difficulties and chaos makes you stronger. Instead, I believe it is they reveal just how strong you are. And when you can look back and recognize that strength that you have, that is that solid foundation that you can stand on, knowing no matter what happens in the future, whatever gets thrown at you, you do have this inner strength upon which you can always rely. And the I use a um uh metaphor of uh climbing mountains. So I am not a mountain climber, but uh but I actually am in, you know, metaphorically. Um so if you're thinking about, you know, you're in the midst of this this horrible chaos, this difficult time. You are on this sheer cliff face and you have tenuous finger holds and footholds. And when you look up, you go, I got so far to go. And then you look down, you go, don't look down, don't look down, don't look down. That's a long way to fall, right? This is what it's like in the middle of the chaos. However, I like to think that on my climbing helmet, I have one of those little tiny rear view mirrors, you know, that kind of come out, and I can look behind me. And when I look behind me, I see all the mountains that I have already climbed, that I've already scaled, that I've already been on their difficult, you know, cliff faces of. And from this view, when I look back, I can not only see all the beauty that they brought to where I am now, but that they gave me like they gave me the understanding that I can do this mountain too.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Yep.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

So that's what I want to leave our listeners with today.

SPEAKER_01 36:57

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 36:57

Uh Nick, if this has been such a great conversation, I appreciate so much. Um, is there anything you would like to share with the audience? I don't know if you know if they want to get a hold of you and you know, kind of take things further about choosing their attitude.

SPEAKER_01 37:12

Uh no, uh two different spots. Um, there is if you want to go see the direct stuff that I'm working on, um, I actually have split the company up in the attitude, action, impact. Um, but uh so if you want to see me directly, thenixt strand um.com uh and or if you want to go to the brand um and connect with the community, uh choose yourattitude.com. Um as always, connection is great. And uh no, those are the two two big pieces. Um if you ever want to connect and and talk, I I love to uh you know talk to everybody, so um feel free to reach out um and connect. But um other than that, yeah, those are the two two places.

SPEAKER_00 37:52

Super. I will be sure to include those links in the episode's show notes. So uh listeners, you can go check that out. All right, that's our show. I am Linda Booker, guiding people to know their worth, to reconnect to their gifts, and create lives that are fully aligned and deeply impactful. And if you're sensing it's time to bring your life into deeper alignment, you can explore what that looks like at lindabooker.com where you'll find direction and clarity and a link to book a complimentary uh clarity chat with me if you so uh choose to do that. Um, and if today's episode sparked something for you, please like it, please share it, and don't forget to subscribe so you won't miss what's next. And join me next week because we'll have another uplifting conversation designed to support your growth. And so until next time, make sure that you've made this conversation worth your while by feeling the spark that it ignited.